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[OWL WATCH] Waiting for "IOTA TIME" 27;

Disclaimer: This is my editing, so there could be always some misunderstandings and exaggerations, plus many convos are from 'spec channel', so take it with a grain of salt, pls.
+ I added some recent convos afterward.
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Luigi Vigneri [IF]어제 오후 8:26
Giving the opportunity to everybody to set up/run nodes is one of IOTA's priority. A minimum amount of resources is obviously required to prevent easy attacks, but we are making sure that being active part of the IOTA network can be possible without crazy investments.
we are building our solution in such a way that the protocol is fair and lightweight.

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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:24
IOTA is not "free to use" but it's - fee-less
you have tokens? you can send them around for free
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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:25
you have no tokens? you have to pay to use the network
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lekanovic어제 오후 11:25
I think it is a smart way to avoid the spamming network problem
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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:26
owning tokens is essentially like owning a share of the actual network
and the throughput it can process
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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:26****​
if you don't need all of that yourself, you can rent it out to people and earn money
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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:27
mana = tokens * time since you own them
simplified
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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:27
the longer you hold your tokens and the more you have, the more mana you have
but every now and then you have to move them to "realize" that mana
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lekanovic어제 오후 11:28
Is there any other project that is using a Mana solution to the network fee problem ?
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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:28
nah
the problem with current protocol is that they are leader based
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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:29
you need absolute consensus on who the current leaders are and what their influence in the network is
that's how blockchains works
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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:29
if two block producers produce 2 blocks at the same time, then you have to choose which one wins
and where everybody attaches their next block to
IOTA works differently and doesn't need to choose a single leader
we therefore have a much bigger flexibility of designing our sybil protection mechanisms
in a way, mana is also supposed to solve the problem of "rewarding" the infrastructure instead of the validators
in blockchain only the miners get all the money
running a node and even if it's one that is used by a lot of people will only cost
you won't get anything back
no fees, nothing
the miners get it all
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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:31
in IOTA, the node operators receive the mana
which gives them a share of the network throughput
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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:32
because in blockchain you need to decide whose txs become part of the blocks
and it's not really based on networking protocols like AIMD
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lekanovic어제 오후 11:33
And the more Mana your node have, the more trust your node has and you have more to say in the FPC, is that correct?
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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:33
yeah
a node that has processed a lot of txs of its users will have more mana than other nodes
and therefore a bigger say in deciding conflicts
its a direct measure of "trust" by its users
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lekanovic어제 오후 11:34
And choosing committee for dRNG would be done on L1 protocol level?
Everything regarding Mana will be L1 level, right?
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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:35
Yeah
Mana is layer1, but will also be used as weight in L2 solutions like smart contracts
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lekanovic어제 오후 11:35
And you are not dependant on using SC to implement this
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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:35
No, you don't need smart contracts
That's all the base layer
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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:37
'Time' actually takes into account things like decay
So it doesn't just increase forever
It's close to "Demurrage" in monetary theory
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lekanovic어제 오후 11:36
For projects to be able to connect to Polkadot or Cosmos, you need to get the state of the ledger.
Will it be possible to get the Tangle state?
If this would be possible, then I think it would be SUPER good for IOTA
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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:38
Yeah but polkadot is not connecting other dlts
Just inhouse stuff
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Hyperware어제 오후 11:39
Is there still a cap on mana so that the rich don't get richer?
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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:39
Yes mana is capped
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TangleAccountant어제 오후 11:39
u/Hans Moog [IF] My first thought is that the evolution of this renting system will lead to several big mana renting companies that pool together tons of token holders mana. That way businesses looking to rent mana just need to deal with a reliable mana renting company for years instead of a new individual every couple of months (because life happens and you don't know if that individual will need to sell their IOTAs due to personal reasons). Any thoughts on this?
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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:41
u/TangleAccountant yes that is likely - but also not a bad thing - token holders will have a place to get their monthly payout and the companies that want to use the tangle without having tokens have a place to pay
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TangleAccountant어제 오후 11:42
Oh I completely agree. That's really cool. I'll take a stab at creating one of those companies in the US.
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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:42
And everybody who wants to run a node themselves or has tokens and wants use the tangle for free can do so
But "leachers" that would want to use the network for free won't be able to do so
I mean ultimately there will always be "fees", as there is no "free lunch".
You have a certain amount of resources that a network can process and you have a certain demand.
And that will naturally result in fees based on supply / demand
what you can do however is to build a system where the actual users of that system that legitimately want to use it can do so for free,
just because they already "invest" enough by having tokens
or running infrastructure
they are already contributing to the well-being of the network through these two aspects alone
it would be stupid to ask those guys for additional fees
and mana essentially tries to be such a measure of honesty among the users
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Hyperware어제 오후 11:47
It's interesting from an investment perspective that having tokens/mana is like owning a portion of the network.
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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:48
Yeah, you are owning a certain % of the throughput and whatever the price will ultimately be to execute on this network - you will earn proportionally
but you have to keep in mind that we are trying to build the most efficient DLT that you could possibly ever build
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semibaron어제 오후 11:48
The whole mana (tokens) = share of network throuput sounds very much like EOS tbh
Just that EOS uses DPoS
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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:50
yeah i mean there is really not too many new things under the sun - you can just tweak a few things here and there, when it comes to distributing resources
DPoS is simply not very nice from a centralization aspect
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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:50
at least not the way EOS does it
delegating weights is 1 thing
but assuming that the weight will always be in a way that 21 "identities" run the whole network is bad
in the current world you see a centralization of power
but ultimately we want to build a future where the wealth is more evenly distributed
and the same goes for voting power
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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:52
blockchain needs leader selection
it only works with such a centralizing component
IOTA doesn't need that
it's delusional to say that IOTA wouldn't have any such centralization
but maybe we get better than just a handselected nodes 📷
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Phantom3D어제 오후 11:52
How would this affect a regular hodler without a node. Should i keep my tokens elsewere to generate mana and put the tokens to use?
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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:53
you can do whatever you want with your mana
just make an account at a node you regularly use and use it to build up a reputation with that node
to be able to use your funds for free
or run a node yourself
or rent it out to companies if you just hodl
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semibaron어제 오후 11:54
Will there be a build-in function into the node software / wallet to delegate ("sell") my mana?
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Hans Moog [IF]어제 오후 11:55
u/semibaron not from the start - that would happen on a 2nd layer
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dom어제 오후 9:49
suddenly be incentive to hold iota?
to generate Mana
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Hyperware오늘 오전 4:21
The only thing I can really do, is believe that the IF have smart answers and are still building the best solutions they can for the sake of the vision
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dom오늘 오전 4:43
100% - which is why we're spending so much effort to communicate it more clearly now
we'll do an AMA on this topic very soon
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M [s2]오늘 오전 4:54
u/dom​ please accept my question for the AMA: will IOTA remain a permissionless system and if so, how?
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dom오늘 오전 4:57
of course it remains permissionless
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dom오늘 오전 5:20
what is permissioned about it?
is ETH or Bitcoin permissioned because you have to pay a transaction fee in their native token?
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Gerrit오늘 오전 5:24
How did your industry partners think about the mana solution and the fact they need to hold the token to ensure network throughput?
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dom오늘 오전 5:26
u/Gerrit considering how the infrastructure, legal and regulatory frameworks are improving around the adoption and usage of crypto-currencies within large companies, I really think that we are introducing this concept exactly at the right time. It should make enterprise partners comfortable in using the permissionless network without much of a hurdle. They can always launch their own network if they want to ...
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Gerrit오늘 오전 5:27
Launching their own network can’t be what you want
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dom오늘 오전 5:27
exactly
but that is what's happening with Ethereum and all the other networks
they don't hold Ether tokens either.
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Gerrit오늘 오전 5:32
Will be very exciting to see if ongoing regulation will „allow“ companies to invest and hold the tokens. With upcoming custody solutions that would be a fantastic play.
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Hans Moog [IF]오늘 오전 5:34
It's still possible to send transactions even without mana - mana is only used in times of congestion to give the people that have more mana more priority
there will still be sharding to keep the network free most of the time
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Hans Moog [IF]오늘 오전 5:35
but without a protection mechanism, somebody could just spam a lot of bullshit and you could break the network(수정됨)
you need some form of protection from this
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M [s2]오늘 오전 5:36
u/Hans Moog [IF] so when I have 0 Mana, I can still send transactions? This is actually the point where it got strange...
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Hans Moog [IF]오늘 오전 5:37
yes you can
unless the network is close to its processing capabilities / being attacked by spammers
then the nodes will favor the mana holders
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Hans Moog [IF]오늘 오전 5:37
but having mana is not a requirement for many years to come
currently even people having fpgas can't spam that many tps
and we will also have sharding implemented by then
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M [s2]오늘 오전 5:39
Thank you u/Hans Moog [IF] ! This is the actually important piece of info!
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Basha오늘 오전 5:38
ok, i thought it was communicated that you need at least 1 mana to process a transaction.
from the blogpost: "... a node with 0 mana can issue no transactions."
maybe they meant during the congestion**, but if that's the case maybe you should add that**
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Hans Moog [IF]오늘 오전 5:42
its under the point "Congestion control:"
yeah this only applies to spam attacks
network not overloaded = no mana needed
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Hans Moog [IF]오늘 오전 5:43
if congested => favor txs from people who have the most skin in the game
but sharding will try to keep the network non-congested most of the time - but there might be short periods of time where an attacker might bring the network close to its limits
and of course its going to take a while to add this, so we need a protection mechanism till sharding is supported(수정됨)
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Hans Moog [IF]오늘 오전 6:36
I don't have a particular problem with EOS or their amount of validators - the reason why I think blockchain is inferior has really nothing to do with the way you do sybil protection
and with validators I mean "voting nodes"
I mean even bitcoin has less mining pools
and you could compare mining pools to dpos in some sense
where people assign their weight (in that case hashing power) to the corresponding mining pools
so EOS is definitely not less decentralized than any other tech
but having more identities having weight in the decision process definitely makes it harder to corrupt a reasonable fraction of the system and makes it easier to shard
so its desirable to have this property(수정됨)

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Antonio Nardella [IF]오늘 오전 3:36
https://twitter.com/cmcanalytics/status/1310866311929647104?s=19
u/C3PO [92% Cooless] They could also add more git repos instead of the wallet one, and we would probably be #1 there too..
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Disclaimer:
I'm sorry, maybe I'm fueling some confusion through posting this mana-thing too soon,
but, instead of erasing this posting, I'm adding recent convos.
Certain things about mana seem to be not clear, yet.
It would be better to wait for some official clarification.
But, I hope the community gives its full support to IF, 'cause
there could be always some bumps along the untouched, unchartered way.
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Billy Sanders [IF]오늘 오후 1:36

It's still possible to send transactions even without mana - mana is only used in times of congestion to give the people that have more mana more priority
u/Hans Moog [IF] Im sorry Hans, but this is false in the current congestion control algorithm. No mana = no transactions. To be honest, we havent really tried to make it work so that you can sent transactions with no mana during ties with no congestion, but I dont see how you can enable this and still maintain the sybil protection required. u/Luigi Vigneri [IF] What do you think?📷

Dave [EF]오늘 오후 2:19

Suggestion: Sidebar, then get back to us with the verdict.(수정됨)📷2📷

dom오늘 오후 2:27

No Mana no tx will definitely not be the case(수정됨)📷5📷7***[오후 2:28]***Billy probably means the previous rate control paper as it was written by Luigi. I'll clarify with them📷

Hans Moog [IF]오늘 오후 2:29

When was this decided u/Billy Sanders [IF] and by whom? Was this discussed at last resum when I wasnt there? The last info that I had was that the congestion control should only kick in when there is congestion?!?***[오후 2:29]***📷 📷 📷📷

Navin Ramachandran [IF]오늘 오후 2:30

Let's sidebar this discussion and return when we have agreement. Dave has the right idea

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[OWL WATCH] Waiting for "IOTA TIME" 20; Hans's re-defined directions for DLT

Disclaimer: This is my editing, so there could be some misunderstandings...
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wellwho오늘 오후 4:50
u/Ben Royce****how far is society2 from having something clickable powered by IOTA?
Ben Royce오늘 오후 4:51
demo of basic tech late sep/ early oct. MVP early 2021
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HusQy
Colored coins are the most misunderstood upcoming feature of the IOTA protocol. A lot of people see them just as a competitor to ERC-20 tokens on ETH and therefore a way of tokenizing things on IOTA, but they are much more important because they enable "consensus on data".
Bob
All this stuff already works on neblio but decentralized and scaling to 3500 tps
HusQy
Neblio has 8 mb blocks with 30 seconds blocktime. This is a throughput of 8 mb / 30 seconds = 267 kb per second. Transactions are 401+ bytes which means that throughput is 267 kb / 401 bytes = 665 TPS. IOTA is faster, feeless and will get even faster with the next update ...
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HusQy
Which DLT would be more secure? One that is collaboratively validated by the economic actors of the world (coporations, companies, foundations, states, people) or one that is validated by an anonymous group of wealthy crypto holders?
HusQy
The problem with current DLTs is that we use protection mechanisms like Proof of Work and Proof of Stake that are inherently hard to shard. The more shards you have, the more you have to distribute your hashing power and your stake and the less secure the system becomes.
HusQy
Real world identities (i.e. all the big economic actors) however could shard into as many shards as necessary without making the system less secure. Todays DLTs waste trust in the same way as PoW wastes energy.
HusQy
Is a secure money worth anything if you can't trust the economic actors that you would buy stuff from? If you buy a car from Volkswagen and they just beat you up and throw you out of the shop after you payed then a secure money won't be useful either :P
HusQy
**I believe that if you want to make DLT work and be successful then we need to ultimately incorporate things like trust in entities into the technology.**Examples likes wirecard show that trusting a single company is problematic but trusting the economy as a whole should be at ...
**... least as secure as todays DLTs.**And as soon as you add sharding it will be orders of magnitude more secure. DLT has failed to deliver because people have tried to build a system in vacuum that completely ignores things that already exist and that you can leverage on.
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HusQy
Blockchain is a bit like people sitting in a room, trying to communicate through BINGO sheets. While they talk, they write down some of the things that have been said and as soon as one screams BINGO! he hands around his sheet to inform everybody about what has been said.
HusQy
If you think that this is the most efficient form of communication for people sitting in the same room and the answer to scalability is to make bigger BINGO sheets or to allow people to solve the puzzle faster then you will most probably never understand what IOTA is working on.
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HusQy
**Blockchain does not work with too many equally weighted validators.****If 400 validators produce a validating statement (block) at the same time then only one can survive as part of a longest chain.**IOTA is all about collaborative validation.
**Another problem of blockchain is that every transaction gets sent twice through the network. Once from the nodes to the miners and a 2nd time from the miners as part of a block.**Blockchain will therefore always only be able to use 50% of the network throughput.
And****the last problem is that you can not arbitrarily decrease the time between blocks as it breaks down if the time between blocks gets smaller than the average network delay. The idle time between blocks is precious time that could be used for processing transactions.
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HusQy
I am not talking about a system with a fixed number of validators but one that is completely open and permissionless where any new company can just spin up a node and take part in the network.
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HusQy
Proof of Work and Proof of Stake are both centralizing sybil-protection mechanism. I don't think that Satoshi wanted 14 mining pools to run the network.
And "economic clustering" was always the "end game" of IOTA.
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HusQy
**Using Proof of Stake is not trustless. Proof of Stake means you trust the richest people and hope that they approve your transactions. The rich are getting richer (through your fees) and you are getting more and more dependant on them.**Is that your vision of the future?
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HusQy
Please read again exactly what I wrote. I have not spoken of introducing governance by large companies, nor have I said that IOTA should be permissioned. We aim for a network with millions or even billions of nodes.

HusQy
That can't work at all with a permissioned ledger - who should then drop off all these devices or authorize them to participate in the network? My key message was the following: Proof of Work and Proof of Stake will always be if you split them up via sharding ...

HusQy
... less secure because you simply need fewer coins or less hash power to have the majority of the votes in a shard. This is not the case with trust in society and the economy. When all companies in the world jointly secure a DLT ...

HusQy
... then these companies could install any number of servers in any number of shards without compromising security, because "trust" does not become less just because they operate several servers. First of all, that is a fact and nothing else.

HusQy
Proof of Work and Proof of Stake are contrary to the assumption of many not "trustless" but follow the maxim: "In the greed of miners we trust!" The basic assumption that the miners do not destroy the system that generates income for them is fundamental here for the ...

HusQy
... security of every DLT. I think a similar assumption would still be correct for the economy as a whole: The companies of the world (and not just the big ones) would not destroy the system with which their customers pay them. In this respect, a system would be ...

HusQy
... which is validated by society and the economy as a whole probably just as "safely" as a system which is validated by a few anonymous miners. Why a small elite of miners should be better validators than any human and ...

HusQy
... To be honest, companies in this world do not open up to me. As already written in my other thread, safe money does not bring you anything if you have to assume that Volkswagen will beat you up and throw you out of the store after you ...

HusQy
... paid for a car. The thoughts I discussed say nothing about the immediate future of IOTA (we use for Coordicide mana) but rather speak of a world where DLT has already become an integral part of our lives and we ...

HusQy
... a corresponding number of companies, non-profit organizations and people have used DLT and where such a system could be implemented. The point here is not to create a governance solution that in any way influences the development of technology ...

HusQy
... or have to give nodes their OK first, but about developing a system that enables people to freely choose the validators they trust. For example, you can also declare your grandma to be a validator when you install your node or your ...

HusQy
... local supermarket. Economic relationships in the real world usually form a close-knit network and it doesn't really matter who you follow as long as the majority is honest. I also don't understand your criticism of censorship, because something like that in IOTA ...

HusQy
... is almost impossible. Each transaction confirms two other transactions which is growing exponentially. If someone wanted to ignore a transaction, he would have to ignore an exponential number of other transactions after a very short time. In contrast to blockchain ...

HusQy
... validators in IOTA do not decide what is included in the ledger, but only decide which of several double spends should be confirmed. Honest transactions are confirmed simply by having other transactions reference them ...

HusQy
... and the "validators" are not even asked. As for the "dust problem", this is indeed something that is a bigger problem for IOTA than for other DLTs because we have no fees, but it is also not an unsolvable problem. Bitcoin initially has a ...

HusQy
Solved similar problem by declaring outputs with a minimum amount of 5430 satoshis as invalid ( github.com/Bitcoin/Bitcoi…). A similar solution where an address must contain a minimum amount is also conceivable for IOTA and we are discussing ...

HusQy
... several possibilities (including compressing dust using cryptographic methods). Contrary to your assumption, checking such a minimum amount is not slow but just as fast as checking a normal transaction. And mine ...

HusQy
... In my opinion this is no problem at all for IOTA's use case. The important thing is that you can send small amounts, but after IOTA is feeless it is also okay to expect the recipients to regularly send their payments on a ...

HusQy
... merge address. The wallets already do this automatically (sweeping) and for machines it is no problem to automate this process. So far this was not a problem because the TPS were limited but with the increased TPS throughput of ...

HusQy
... Chrysalis it becomes relevant and appropriate solutions are discussed and then implemented accordingly. I think that was the most important thing first and if you have further questions just write :)

HusQy
And to be very clear! I really appreciate you and your questions and don't see this as an attack at all! People who see such questions as inappropriate criticism should really ask whether they are still objective. I have little time at the moment because ...

HusQy
... my girlfriend is on tour and has to take care of our daughter, but as soon as she is back we can discuss these things in a video. I think that the concept of including the "real world" in the concepts of DLT is really exciting and ...

HusQy
... that would certainly be exciting to discuss in a joint video. But again, that's more of a vision than a specific plan for the immediate future. This would not work with blockchain anyway but IOTA would be compatible so why not think about such things.
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HusQy
All good my big one :P But actually not that much has changed. There has always been the concept of "economic clustering" which is basically based on similar ideas. We are just now able to implement things like this for the first time.
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HusQy
Exactly. It would mean that addresses "cost" something but I would rather pay a few cents than fees for each transaction. And you can "take" this minimum amount with you every time you change to a new address.

HusQy
All good my big one :P But actually not that much has changed. There has always been the concept of "economic clustering" which is basically based on similar ideas. We are just now able to implement things like this for the first time.
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Relax오늘 오전 1:17
Btw. Hans (sorry for interrupting this convo) but what make people say that IOTA is going the permissioned way because of your latest tweets? I don't get why some people are now forecasting that... Is it because of missing specs or do they just don't get the whole idea?

Hans Moog [IF]오늘 오전 1:20
its bullshit u/Relaxan identity based system would still be open and permissionless where everybody can choose the actors that they deem trustworthy themselves but thats anyway just sth that would be applicable with more adoption
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for now we use mana as a predecessor to an actual reputation system

Sissors오늘 오전 1:31
If everybody has to choose actors they deem trustworthy, is it still permissionless? Probably will become a bit a semantic discussion, but still

Hans Moog [IF]오늘 오전 1:34
Of course its permissionless you can follow your grandma if you want to :p

Sissors오늘 오전 1:36
Well sure you can, but you will need to follow something which has a majority of the voting power in the network. Nice that you follow your grandma, but if others dont, her opinion (or well her nodes opinion) is completely irrelevant

Hans Moog [IF]오늘 오전 1:37
You would ideally follow the people that are trustworthy rather than your local drug dealers yeah

Sissors오늘 오전 1:38
And tbh, sure if you do it like that is easy. If you just make the users responsible for only connection to trustworthy nodes

Hans Moog [IF]오늘 오전 1:38
And if your grandma follows her supermarket and some other people she deems trustworthy then thats fine as well
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+ you dont have just 1 actor that you follow

Sissors오늘 오전 1:38
No, you got a large list, since yo uwant to follow those which actually matter. So you jsut download a standard list from the internet

Hans Moog [IF]오늘 오전 1:39
You can do that
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Is bitcoin permissionless? Should we both try to become miners?
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I mean miners that actually matter and not find a block every 10 trillion years 📷
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If you would want to become a validator then you would need to build up trust among other people - but anybody can still run a node and issue transactions unlike in hashgraph where you are not able to run your own nodes(수정됨)
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Proof of Stake is also not trustless - it just has a builtin mechanism that downloads the trusted people from the blockchain itself (the richest dudes)

Sissors오늘 오전 1:52
I think most agree it would be perfect if every person had one vote. Which is pr oblematic to implement of course. But I really wonder if the solution is to just let users decide who to trust. At the very least I expect a quite centralized network

Hans Moog [IF]오늘 오전 1:53
of course even a trust based system would to a certain degree be centralized as not every person is equally trustworthy as for example a big cooperation
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but I think its gonna be less centralized than PoS or PoW
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but anyway its sth for "after coordicide"
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there are not enough trusted entities that are using DLT, yet to make such a system work reasonably well
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I think the reason why blockchain has not really started to look into these kind of concepts is because blockchain doesnt work with too many equally weighted validators
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I believe that DLT is only going to take over the world if it is actually "better" than existing systems and with better I mean cheaper, more secure and faster and PoS and PoW will have a very hard time to deliver that
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especially if you consider that its not only going to settle value transfers

Relax오늘 오전 1:57
I like this clear statements, it makes it really clear that DLT is still in its infancy

Hans Moog [IF]오늘 오전 1:57
currently bank transfers are order of magnitude cheaper than BTC or ETH transactions

Hans Moog [IF]오늘 오전 1:57
and we you think that people will adopt it just because its crypto then I think we are mistaken
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The tech needs to actually solve a problem
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and tbh. currently people use PayPal and other companies to settle their payments
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having a group of the top 500 companies run such a service together is already much better(수정됨)
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especially if its fast and feeless
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and the more people use it, the more decentralized it actually becomes
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because you have more trustworthy entities to choose of

Evaldas [IF]오늘 오전 2:08
"in the greed of miners we trust"


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Bob The Magic Custodian



Summary: Everyone knows that when you give your assets to someone else, they always keep them safe. If this is true for individuals, it is certainly true for businesses.
Custodians always tell the truth and manage funds properly. They won't have any interest in taking the assets as an exchange operator would. Auditors tell the truth and can't be misled. That's because organizations that are regulated are incapable of lying and don't make mistakes.

First, some background. Here is a summary of how custodians make us more secure:

Previously, we might give Alice our crypto assets to hold. There were risks:

But "no worries", Alice has a custodian named Bob. Bob is dressed in a nice suit. He knows some politicians. And he drives a Porsche. "So you have nothing to worry about!". And look at all the benefits we get:
See - all problems are solved! All we have to worry about now is:
It's pretty simple. Before we had to trust Alice. Now we only have to trust Alice, Bob, and all the ways in which they communicate. Just think of how much more secure we are!

"On top of that", Bob assures us, "we're using a special wallet structure". Bob shows Alice a diagram. "We've broken the balance up and store it in lots of smaller wallets. That way", he assures her, "a thief can't take it all at once". And he points to a historic case where a large sum was taken "because it was stored in a single wallet... how stupid".
"Very early on, we used to have all the crypto in one wallet", he said, "and then one Christmas a hacker came and took it all. We call him the Grinch. Now we individually wrap each crypto and stick it under a binary search tree. The Grinch has never been back since."

"As well", Bob continues, "even if someone were to get in, we've got insurance. It covers all thefts and even coercion, collusion, and misplaced keys - only subject to the policy terms and conditions." And with that, he pulls out a phone-book sized contract and slams it on the desk with a thud. "Yep", he continues, "we're paying top dollar for one of the best policies in the country!"
"Can I read it?' Alice asks. "Sure," Bob says, "just as soon as our legal team is done with it. They're almost through the first chapter." He pauses, then continues. "And can you believe that sales guy Mike? He has the same year Porsche as me. I mean, what are the odds?"

"Do you use multi-sig?", Alice asks. "Absolutely!" Bob replies. "All our engineers are fully trained in multi-sig. Whenever we want to set up a new wallet, we generate 2 separate keys in an air-gapped process and store them in this proprietary system here. Look, it even requires the biometric signature from one of our team members to initiate any withdrawal." He demonstrates by pressing his thumb into the display. "We use a third-party cloud validation API to match the thumbprint and authorize each withdrawal. The keys are also backed up daily to an off-site third-party."
"Wow that's really impressive," Alice says, "but what if we need access for a withdrawal outside of office hours?" "Well that's no issue", Bob says, "just send us an email, call, or text message and we always have someone on staff to help out. Just another part of our strong commitment to all our customers!"

"What about Proof of Reserve?", Alice asks. "Of course", Bob replies, "though rather than publish any blockchain addresses or signed transaction, for privacy we just do a SHA256 refactoring of the inverse hash modulus for each UTXO nonce and combine the smart contract coefficient consensus in our hyperledger lightning node. But it's really simple to use." He pushes a button and a large green checkmark appears on a screen. "See - the algorithm ran through and reserves are proven."
"Wow", Alice says, "you really know your stuff! And that is easy to use! What about fiat balances?" "Yeah, we have an auditor too", Bob replies, "Been using him for a long time so we have quite a strong relationship going! We have special books we give him every year and he's very efficient! Checks the fiat, crypto, and everything all at once!"

"We used to have a nice offline multi-sig setup we've been using without issue for the past 5 years, but I think we'll move all our funds over to your facility," Alice says. "Awesome", Bob replies, "Thanks so much! This is perfect timing too - my Porsche got a dent on it this morning. We have the paperwork right over here." "Great!", Alice replies.
And with that, Alice gets out her pen and Bob gets the contract. "Don't worry", he says, "you can take your crypto-assets back anytime you like - just subject to our cancellation policy. Our annual management fees are also super low and we don't adjust them often".

How many holes have to exist for your funds to get stolen?
Just one.

Why are we taking a powerful offline multi-sig setup, widely used globally in hundreds of different/lacking regulatory environments with 0 breaches to date, and circumventing it by a demonstrably weak third party layer? And paying a great expense to do so?
If you go through the list of breaches in the past 2 years to highly credible organizations, you go through the list of major corporate frauds (only the ones we know about), you go through the list of all the times platforms have lost funds, you go through the list of times and ways that people have lost their crypto from identity theft, hot wallet exploits, extortion, etc... and then you go through this custodian with a fine-tooth comb and truly believe they have value to add far beyond what you could, sticking your funds in a wallet (or set of wallets) they control exclusively is the absolute worst possible way to take advantage of that security.

The best way to add security for crypto-assets is to make a stronger multi-sig. With one custodian, what you are doing is giving them your cryptocurrency and hoping they're honest, competent, and flawlessly secure. It's no different than storing it on a really secure exchange. Maybe the insurance will cover you. Didn't work for Bitpay in 2015. Didn't work for Yapizon in 2017. Insurance has never paid a claim in the entire history of cryptocurrency. But maybe you'll get lucky. Maybe your exact scenario will buck the trend and be what they're willing to cover. After the large deductible and hopefully without a long and expensive court battle.

And you want to advertise this increase in risk, the lapse of judgement, an accident waiting to happen, as though it's some kind of benefit to customers ("Free institutional-grade storage for your digital assets.")? And then some people are writing to the OSC that custodians should be mandatory for all funds on every exchange platform? That this somehow will make Canadians as a whole more secure or better protected compared with standard air-gapped multi-sig? On what planet?

Most of the problems in Canada stemmed from one thing - a lack of transparency. If Canadians had known what a joke Quadriga was - it wouldn't have grown to lose $400m from hard-working Canadians from coast to coast to coast. And Gerald Cotten would be in jail, not wherever he is now (at best, rotting peacefully). EZ-BTC and mister Dave Smilie would have been a tiny little scam to his friends, not a multi-million dollar fraud. Einstein would have got their act together or been shut down BEFORE losing millions and millions more in people's funds generously donated to criminals. MapleChange wouldn't have even been a thing. And maybe we'd know a little more about CoinTradeNewNote - like how much was lost in there. Almost all of the major losses with cryptocurrency exchanges involve deception with unbacked funds.
So it's great to see transparency reports from BitBuy and ShakePay where someone independently verified the backing. The only thing we don't have is:
It's not complicated to validate cryptocurrency assets. They need to exist, they need to be spendable, and they need to cover the total balances. There are plenty of credible people and firms across the country that have the capacity to reasonably perform this validation. Having more frequent checks by different, independent, parties who publish transparent reports is far more valuable than an annual check by a single "more credible/official" party who does the exact same basic checks and may or may not publish anything. Here's an example set of requirements that could be mandated:
There are ways to structure audits such that neither crypto assets nor customer information are ever put at risk, and both can still be properly validated and publicly verifiable. There are also ways to structure audits such that they are completely reasonable for small platforms and don't inhibit innovation in any way. By making the process as reasonable as possible, we can completely eliminate any reason/excuse that an honest platform would have for not being audited. That is arguable far more important than any incremental improvement we might get from mandating "the best of the best" accountants. Right now we have nothing mandated and tons of Canadians using offshore exchanges with no oversight whatsoever.

Transparency does not prove crypto assets are safe. CoinTradeNewNote, Flexcoin ($600k), and Canadian Bitcoins ($100k) are examples where crypto-assets were breached from platforms in Canada. All of them were online wallets and used no multi-sig as far as any records show. This is consistent with what we see globally - air-gapped multi-sig wallets have an impeccable record, while other schemes tend to suffer breach after breach. We don't actually know how much CoinTrader lost because there was no visibility. Rather than publishing details of what happened, the co-founder of CoinTrader silently moved on to found another platform - the "most trusted way to buy and sell crypto" - a site that has no information whatsoever (that I could find) on the storage practices and a FAQ advising that “[t]rading cryptocurrency is completely safe” and that having your own wallet is “entirely up to you! You can certainly keep cryptocurrency, or fiat, or both, on the app.” Doesn't sound like much was learned here, which is really sad to see.
It's not that complicated or unreasonable to set up a proper hardware wallet. Multi-sig can be learned in a single course. Something the equivalent complexity of a driver's license test could prevent all the cold storage exploits we've seen to date - even globally. Platform operators have a key advantage in detecting and preventing fraud - they know their customers far better than any custodian ever would. The best job that custodians can do is to find high integrity individuals and train them to form even better wallet signatories. Rather than mandating that all platforms expose themselves to arbitrary third party risks, regulations should center around ensuring that all signatories are background-checked, properly trained, and using proper procedures. We also need to make sure that signatories are empowered with rights and responsibilities to reject and report fraud. They need to know that they can safely challenge and delay a transaction - even if it turns out they made a mistake. We need to have an environment where mistakes are brought to the surface and dealt with. Not one where firms and people feel the need to hide what happened. In addition to a knowledge-based test, an auditor can privately interview each signatory to make sure they're not in coercive situations, and we should make sure they can freely and anonymously report any issues without threat of retaliation.
A proper multi-sig has each signature held by a separate person and is governed by policies and mutual decisions instead of a hierarchy. It includes at least one redundant signature. For best results, 3of4, 3of5, 3of6, 4of5, 4of6, 4of7, 5of6, or 5of7.

History has demonstrated over and over again the risk of hot wallets even to highly credible organizations. Nonetheless, many platforms have hot wallets for convenience. While such losses are generally compensated by platforms without issue (for example Poloniex, Bitstamp, Bitfinex, Gatecoin, Coincheck, Bithumb, Zaif, CoinBene, Binance, Bitrue, Bitpoint, Upbit, VinDAX, and now KuCoin), the public tends to focus more on cases that didn't end well. Regardless of what systems are employed, there is always some level of risk. For that reason, most members of the public would prefer to see third party insurance.
Rather than trying to convince third party profit-seekers to provide comprehensive insurance and then relying on an expensive and slow legal system to enforce against whatever legal loopholes they manage to find each and every time something goes wrong, insurance could be run through multiple exchange operators and regulators, with the shared interest of having a reputable industry, keeping costs down, and taking care of Canadians. For example, a 4 of 7 multi-sig insurance fund held between 5 independent exchange operators and 2 regulatory bodies. All Canadian exchanges could pay premiums at a set rate based on their needed coverage, with a higher price paid for hot wallet coverage (anything not an air-gapped multi-sig cold wallet). Such a model would be much cheaper to manage, offer better coverage, and be much more reliable to payout when needed. The kind of coverage you could have under this model is unheard of. You could even create something like the CDIC to protect Canadians who get their trading accounts hacked if they can sufficiently prove the loss is legitimate. In cases of fraud, gross negligence, or insolvency, the fund can be used to pay affected users directly (utilizing the last transparent balance report in the worst case), something which private insurance would never touch. While it's recommended to have official policies for coverage, a model where members vote would fully cover edge cases. (Could be similar to the Supreme Court where justices vote based on case law.)
Such a model could fully protect all Canadians across all platforms. You can have a fiat coverage governed by legal agreements, and crypto-asset coverage governed by both multi-sig and legal agreements. It could be practical, affordable, and inclusive.

Now, we are at a crossroads. We can happily give up our freedom, our innovation, and our money. We can pay hefty expenses to auditors, lawyers, and regulators year after year (and make no mistake - this cost will grow to many millions or even billions as the industry grows - and it will be borne by all Canadians on every platform because platforms are not going to eat up these costs at a loss). We can make it nearly impossible for any new platform to enter the marketplace, forcing Canadians to use the same stagnant platforms year after year. We can centralize and consolidate the entire industry into 2 or 3 big players and have everyone else fail (possibly to heavy losses of users of those platforms). And when a flawed security model doesn't work and gets breached, we can make it even more complicated with even more people in suits making big money doing the job that blockchain was supposed to do in the first place. We can build a system which is so intertwined and dependent on big government, traditional finance, and central bankers that it's future depends entirely on that of the fiat system, of fractional banking, and of government bail-outs. If we choose this path, as history has shown us over and over again, we can not go back, save for revolution. Our children and grandchildren will still be paying the consequences of what we decided today.
Or, we can find solutions that work. We can maintain an open and innovative environment while making the adjustments we need to make to fully protect Canadian investors and cryptocurrency users, giving easy and affordable access to cryptocurrency for all Canadians on the platform of their choice, and creating an environment in which entrepreneurs and problem solvers can bring those solutions forward easily. None of the above precludes innovation in any way, or adds any unreasonable cost - and these three policies would demonstrably eliminate or resolve all 109 historic cases as studied here - that's every single case researched so far going back to 2011. It includes every loss that was studied so far not just in Canada but globally as well.
Unfortunately, finding answers is the least challenging part. Far more challenging is to get platform operators and regulators to agree on anything. My last post got no response whatsoever, and while the OSC has told me they're happy for industry feedback, I believe my opinion alone is fairly meaningless. This takes the whole community working together to solve. So please let me know your thoughts. Please take the time to upvote and share this with people. Please - let's get this solved and not leave it up to other people to do.

Facts/background/sources (skip if you like):



Thoughts?
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MetaDAO - update

MetaDAO - update
Wax on. Wax off.
Quick update on the MetaDAO concept and outreach to Edgeware one of the first Substrate based chains after Polkadot and Kusama.
Since the intial post, both Polkadot and Kusama have seen explosive growth, with Polkadot now #6 on Coingecko and Kusama #60. Edgeware is at #107 and all have treasuries to spend - c$8m in $EDG, c$6 $KSM and $38m $DOT.
The reaction to both the proposal and building bridges to Decred from the (small) Edgeware community has been positive - you can see an overview of last week's community call here on Commonwealth, which is their expanded version of something like Politeia and hosts various conversations and threads.
There is another call today at 2:45pm EST - you can join a google hangout here if you're interested. Hopefully the call will progress the conversations again.
So what values / characteristics do Decred and Edgeware have in common?
Well both are focused on governance, both launched aiming to offer a wide and fair distribution (info on lockdrop here) and both have treasuries that can sustain them long into the future.
There are also key differences.
Decred is older (and perhaps a little jaded) prioritising slow, careful progress that considers every action through the lens of unintended consequences with the aim of maximising privacy and security.
It is a philosophy rooted in the project's origins at Company 0 - see 'return to zero' and the north star of building a fairer financial system.
Edgeware is new on the scene, filled with excitement, enthusiasm and buckets of shower thoughts that would be shot down in an instant by the Decred community. The project will not be as secure or private as Decred but will move faster and can potentially become a bridge to the wider ecosystem, taking chances the older project can't (or won't)...
Now I'm showing my age, but when seen side by side, the two projects reminds me of the central relationship in the 80's classic The Karate Kid.
Mr Myagi is the old master weary of new things.
“Never put passion in front of principle, even if you win, you’ll lose”.
Daniel San is the young and impetuous grasshopper.
Together they achieve great things and teach other a few things along the way.
Aaaaanyway....
The next stage is to move the concept to a formalised proposal for Edgeware's council to vote on (it is an NPOS system) and a request for funding that can officially kick off the MetaDAO project and potential areas for collaboration and co-financing.
Post this, I will also submit a formal proposal to Politieia to hopefully gain stakeholder approval and gain extra insights along the way.
u/jet_user has suggested a few ideas here.
- Personally I'm interested in the "real stuff" that boosts autonomy and resilience of individuals: open hardware, UX improvement to solve that huge self-custody UX challenge, security audits (perhaps we use some common libraries), etc.
- devs in the smart contract land might borrow some elements of dcrdex's coin swap sequence (coordinating a peer-to-peer swap required to figure out a lot of ugly edge cases), or we could borrow something from them.
- new forum software with stronger transparency, integrity protection and data preservation properties that has Reddit-like UX but Politeia-like security and transparency.
- Another is crypto job market/bounty system/issue tracker combo to unlock the energy sitting on the sidelines and improve mass coordination.
I think Decred could integrate with Commonwealth for working group discussions ahead of Pi-Reddit and could perhaps also utilise the project's infrastructure for subDAOs ahead of being possible with Decred.
One other area that I'm particularly interested in is figuring out a way to bring alive the story of Open Source - a definitive history of the movement, it's achievements and the path to Bitcoin, Decred, et al but done in a contemporary (and cool) way that connects to a much bigger picture and is hosted on decentralised streaming infrastructure like Livepeer.
Right now it is still a story that most do not understand nor connect with.
Ultimately Decred was created to solve the funding issue in OSS so I feel it is an important piece of the puzzle that will aid in the project's broader awareness and understanding in the long term.
Until now all content about this revolution has been delivered in a very old school TV way - see Open Source Money.
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From 10000 to 10 Million: Coin Circle KOL Happy Shares the Road of Gold Mining in China

From 10000 to 10 Million: Coin Circle KOL Happy Shares the Road of Gold Mining in China
On July 27,2020, Bitcoin soared from US $9900 to US $11400, a 15% increase in a single day, opening the first round of global cryptocurrency market outbreak after the epidemic.Since then, different currencies have been soaring in turn every day.A few days ago, I attended a private gathering of cryptocurrency circle in Silicon Valley, and got to know a veteran of currency circle named XX.XX is a China expert and an early investor of TRX, OMG and EOS. It started from $10000 and now has a value of more than $10 million. It is called China bitbutcher in a small circle.The author and XX talked about a lot of dry goods, now sorted out to share with you, interested can add my telegraph group(https://0.plus/bpopaha)Discuss it together.The following is the account in XX’s own words.
Firstly, you need to understand the market.
Some people call me China Bitbutcher. In fact, there are many people who make more money than me in the Chinese market. Although the projects invested are different, they all have one thing in common, that is, they all have a better understanding of the Chinese market. At least you have to install a Wechat. You see, I have added many groups of Chinese investors to collect information and study their investment characteristics. For example, this expression pack is very representative.

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"show-hand" here is the transliteration of show hand, which means that you can bet all your cash on a single coin. If you only bet on one coin, you will have either heaven or hell.Whenever a KOL starts to shout for orders, the retail investors in the community will rush to get into the gold and shout the slogan of "show-hand". The lucky ones who get into the gold earlier will get several times or even dozens of times (or higher) return on investment.
Similar to the "Beat Generation" born after World War II in the United States, today's young people in China are called "post-90s" and "post-00s". Although they don't have to worry about food and drink, their limited income is far behind the increase in urban house prices and living costs. Houses and cars are the necessary conditions for young Chinese men to marry their wives.As a result, these young people tend to be very aggressive in investment, and there are many people eager to make tens of thousands of dollars with thousands of dollars.At present, there are millions of investors in China's currency circle, which is equivalent to the total population of some small European countries. Behind this, there are tens of millions of stock investors who will turn to coin circle people at any time. Since the popularity of ICO in 2017, China has produced dozens of hundreds or even thousands of times projects such as Neo, TRX, ONT, etc., and tens of billions of dollars of funds have been taken out and deposited from the pockets of investors in the currency circle. At the same time, there are also a large number of gold miners (most of them are foreigners) who have absorbed a lot of money from China through ICO and obtained wealth freedom. Among them, EOS is a typical example. The financing time is as long as one year, and the financing scale is more than 2 billion US dollars, of which a large part is paid by Chinese young people. There is also a well-known KOL in China, who has been crazy about EOS, even calling out the slogan of "three waves of fighting to 1000 yuan (Note: 1000 yuan is equivalent to 143 US dollars, currently EOS is worth 3 dollars). However, such a crazy KOL still has the support of hundreds of thousands of fans. Fortunately, with so many fanatics, the EOS I held in the early stage could be safely and gradually shipped, with a comprehensive yield of 553%. It's not too much to say that it's collecting money on the ground. So if you take the same money and gamble with the gentlemen on Wall Street, you'd better take the same money to China’s currency circle market. By the way, there was also a big man in the currency circle in China who said that these retail investors were "idiot", "stupid people, lots of money, come quickly". I didn't believe it. However, at the end of 2017, I heard from my Chinese friends that I invested in a project called TRX. I only invested $5000, and finally I withdrew 100 times. 5000 US dollars turned into 500000 US dollars. Since then, I have fallen in love with this magic market.
Secondly, we should see the situation clearly.
A leader of China's democratic revolution once said a sentence that I like very much, which is called "the general trend of the world, the one who goes along will prosper, and the one who goes against will die." So before you pay, ask yourself a question: do you think the bull market has opened? Or is the bull market in the middle? This needs your own judgment, conform to the general trend to make money. In my opinion, at the present stage, two thirds of 2020 has passed. In the past eight months, the global epidemic broke out, the economy went down, the US stock market failed, the Olympic Games were postponed, and Bitcoin plummeted to 3800usdt.Under this undercurrent, hot money is irresistible, especially the savings of Chinese currency circle investors in the long bear market, which urgently needs an investment export. On the surface, this bull market is led by Ethereum, but in fact it is the result of a combination of multiple factors. One of the key points is to invest in customers' wallets. With Bitcoin starting on July 21, the current high level of 12000 or so, most of the mainstream currencies in the market have completed the round of rise. Meanwhile, the defi plate is extremely hot, and the future market will continue to be bullish. Judging the situation is the basic logic of our investment. If this does not hold up, there is no need to look down.
Thirdly, choose potential currencies.
If you also agree that the bull market will continue, then you should take advantage of this wave of heat, ambush some hot currencies in advance, and then wait for the market makers to stir up the market and plate, attract a large number of retail investors to follow suit, so as to easily make money in the market. At present, it is obvious that the market has entered the second typical stage: bitcoin trading horizontally and counterfeit currency rising in turn. Almost every day comes the news that the counterfeit currency of XX is about to soar, and then investors who build their positions ahead of time are beaming with joy to show their income map in the major communities.
Please note that! At this time, most of the unqualified investors are following the trend and buying without their own opinions. It is true that some people have made a lot of money, but the risks have multiplied. Because while they are making money, they are also carrying sedan chairs for the makers. But a small number of "smart people" don't think so. They firmly believe that the safest way is to make money within their scope. One of the important ideas is to explore the underrated high-quality projects that have not yet started to rise in the bull market, complete the warehouse building at the low level, and get the early hundred times chips.
Fourth, how to find a hundred times currency.
As we all know, 100 times coin has the following characteristics: it has a perfect business model and pass card model, has its own application and ecology, and has a group of loyal users and community consensus. This is the fundamental reason why I found TRX, OMG, ONT and other currencies. There is an outstanding businessman named Jack Ma in China. He put forward a concept called "small is beautiful", which means that the best investment target is a project with small scale and high marginal profit. Just in the past two days, I downloaded an investment advisory app called coin bubble through China's wechat group, and also sent a token. I think it is small and beautiful according to my own definition.

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According to the official introduction, the coin bubble is a mobile terminal entrance for digital financial investors. It is committed to creating a rich, interesting and practical digital financial investment consultant ecosystem, helping new users of the digital financial investment circle to quickly integrate into the circle and culture, improve their investment skills and obtain better investment returns. The goal of currency bubble is to become the first stop for traditional financial investors to enter the digital financial world and the first entrance for incremental users and incremental funds. The concept is quite grand, but in a word, the team has made a consultant app for coin circle investment and built an active community of crypto asset enthusiasts. Through the mode of knowledge payment or commission, KOL at the head of the coin circle helps their fans to purchase crypto assets and derivatives with zero threshold, and obtain commission income from it.

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Different from some projects on the market that often claim to be hundreds of thousands of users and start to issue money in the air stage, the money bubble has been done as a traditional Internet project from the beginning. The team itself is not short of money, and has not raised a lot of money in the initial stage. Instead, it only focuses on the perspective of resource exchange from the perspective of Genesis fund, alpha-coin fund and Continue Capital and other cryptocurrency capital parties symbolically took some start-up funds in order to better utilize the latter's extensive network resources in the currency circle. According to a friend who has a good relationship with the core team, the management of the currency bubble is extremely low-key, and rarely appears in front of the currency circle media. The team has always believed in the principle of product first, and has little interest in marketing. Just as soon as the app 1.0 version was launched, it caused a widespread sensation in the currency circle, and even was immediately plagiarized at pixel level by another well-known giant app two weeks later. But the team just said in the internal meeting, copy it, see whether you copy fast or we innovate fast. As a result, when app2.0 was released, the coin recommendation function was once again popular, absorbing countless powder, and it was still copied by several friends. However, this kind of plagiarism can not last for a long time, because the money bubble depends not only on the function innovation, but also on the community reputation. The Internet has such Matthew effect, and the head app is always strong.
At present, the coin bubble has initially established a product matrix of currency recommendation, spot strategy, contract strategy and communication community. Investors, KOL, exchanges and project parties in the currency circle can take what they need and get the resources they want. At present, money bubble has been the first place in the investment advisory track by relying on natural flow and word-of-mouth propaganda. Many of the original friends who only relied on plagiarism have disappeared. At present, there are about 3000 KOLs with different levels in the currency bubble, which continuously release spot currency, contract strategy and potential currency on app. Online, hundreds of thousands of users can easily find KOL with high success rate and stable yield through the currency bubble platform to carry out documentary operation to obtain profits. Offline, the coin bubble has dozens of official wechat groups and hundreds of alliance groups, radiating millions of users in the currency circle. Currency bubble has become the first professional community in China's domestic currency circle.

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Currency recommendation plate spot plate contract plate

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Money bubble online community currency bubble wechat community
In order to better integrate and match the resources in the ecosystem, coin bubble launched token BPOP with the same name in a low-key manner in 19 years, but it has not been vigorously promoted. This is also in line with the team's low-key temperament of not lacking money, not promoting and only making products with heart. According to internal information, BPOP token will be used for the following purposes:
First, you can use BPOP to subscribe to KOL's trading strategy. Previously, in order to comply in China, BPOP has been using French currency to settle Commission. However, the team may have considered the subsequent global promotion, and it is time to introduce ecological token for internal settlement. The good news is that the English version of coin bubble was launched in early September, which will better serve the global English speaking users in North America and Europe. At the same time, the project side also said that it would launch multi language versions such as Japanese version, Korean version and Latin version as soon as possible, so as to provide accurate investment advisory services for users in more regions of the world.
Secondly, BPOP can be used to offset the service charge of the platform.This seems to be consistent with the strategy of the traditional exchange and the traditional investment consulting company, but in fact, the Commission is charged only when the strategy is profitable. This is totally different from the traditional one. It is a killing strategy created from the perspective of investors in the currency circle. As we know, the vast majority of the profits of exchanges and consulting companies come from the handling fees for ensuring the collection of goods during drought and flood, especially for futures contracts, which are extremely high. This small fee hides the ambition of the currency bubble to subvert the status quo of the industry. Now there is a popular word called dimension reduction strike. It is the Internet that kills physical stores, and takeaway is used to kill instant noodles. Is it possible that the person who kills the exchange is such a latecomer?
Thirdly, BPOP can be used for position dividend. As mentioned above, the money bubble is set up according to the traditional Internet companies, and has its own stable source of income. Besides the platform Commission, a large part of it comes from the realization of traffic, that is, advertising revenue. Money bubble has served many star customers, such as OKEX, Bybit, MXC, famous project parties such as STPT, AKRO, DOS, ARPA, etc., and has reached hundreds of customers. Relying on its own flow advantages, the coin bubble provides accurate diversion and product promotion services for customers, matches high-quality investors in the currency circle for high-quality project parties and exchanges, and achieves a win-win situation. The subsequent position is equivalent to holding currency bubble stock, which will continue to enjoy the income and dividend of currency bubble.
According to informed sources, BPOP will develop new products in combination with the current defi hot spots, and BPOP will also be the only value medium in the product ecology of defi, which means that the higher the demand for products, the stronger the price support of BPOP.
- BPSwap
BPSwap is an asset exchange platform, which can be used for token exchange of any public chain agreement. In the initial stage of the product, BPOP will be used as the main exchange target, i.e. eth / BPOP, TRX / BPOP and other transaction pairs. In the later stage, transactions between different currencies and flash exchange functions will be gradually opened;
When a general investor subscribes to KOL's portfolio with BPOP, he / she can use BPSwap for trading exchange, and can also obtain income by providing transaction liquidity, which can not only quickly buy "wealth password" but also obtain additional income by using "wealth password";
The main functions of BPSwap are as follows:
1)Provide various platform data. Such as liquidity pool data, convertible currency pairs, exchange currency pair liquidity and transaction volume data;
Exchange mechanism of transaction currency. In the initial stage, erc-20 or trc-20 will be opened to exchange currency pairs for BPOP transactions. Any user can view KOL recommended currency on BPOP platform and conduct transaction exchange directly;
2)Liquidity pool reward and new liquidity token. Any user can provide liquidity for different trading currency pairs, increase or remove assets in the liquidity pool. At the same time, the platform will issue a new liquidity token bpop-lp to reward users who provide liquidity for trading currency pairs. Bpop-lp can be exchanged with BPOP / USDT / eth;
3)Flash cash function. Quick exchange of small assets.
In a word, BPSwap can make the users of currency bubble realize all kinds of "one-step" needs, from buying currency, to checking and recommending currency, to asset transaction and exchange, etc., so as to realize the closed-loop use of digital currency. As the only value medium of BPSwap, BPOP will be used by more and more users with the maturity of products, and the price will rise.
Finally, BPOP will also realize the interesting functions of internal users such as reward and props purchase, which may be related to the next blockbuster version. I don't know the details, so I won't make a wild guess.
The above is basically from the product, operation and technical aspects of the project analysis, but these alone are not enough, when we choose the investment target, we also need to carefully analyze the token situation, in order to draw a more accurate conclusion.These analyses are boring, but they are often critical. The reason is exactly the same when we analyze other currencies according to the method I said.
The reason why bitcoin has become the favorite of investors is that it can not be issued more shares and has the characteristics of unlimited deflation. Although BPOP cannot be dug out, its deflation is more fierce and fierce. I can easily find out that the current circulation of BPOP is extremely limited after a large number of lock ups and multiple destruction of BPOP by combining the announcement issued by the currency bubble and the data on the chain. The currency distribution of BPOP is shown in the figure. The orange part is the market circulation volume, accounting for 10%.The other blue parts are those in lock / destroyed / to be destroyed.
Currency bubble contract address: 0x0452aed878805514e28fb5bd0b56bef92176e32a
As can be seen from the figure, the total amount of BPOP is 1 billion. Among them, the foundation has actively destroyed 500 million, ecological destruction has reached 100 million, team lock up 200 million, private placement has not been issued and destroyed by 42.4 million. The remaining cornerstone investment is 100 million and the market is 57.6 million. At present, there is only 157.6 million circulation in the market. According to the official announcement, the government has been using the business profits to buy back from the secondary market. At present, the government has successively bought back about 60 million, and the real circulation in the market is only about 97 million tokens.
In addition, the project side's goal is to continue to buy back to 147.6 million and then destroy all the tokens, and all the tokens will be deflated to 10 million. According to the current real circulation of 97 million, the current CBX.ONE Its latest trading price is 0.005usdt, and its circulation market value is about 485000u. Compared with its current user volume and business volume, it is in a seriously underestimated state, and there is a huge space for imagination in the future. At present, the price is at a historical low price, which conforms to all my definitions of small and beautiful.
To sum up, BPOP meets all the characteristics of this bull market
- The business model, application and ecology are complete, and a large number of landing products are used by users;
- The market value of project token is small, but the project investment institutions are strong;
- The project team has deep experience in the blockchain industry and is keen on doing practical things.
- The direction of the project is in line with the hot spots of the current bull market.
There is a well-known saying in China's retail circle, "hold on, the team is working." On the one hand, it means that the team only focuses on the products and does not care about the price performance of the secondary market; on the other hand, it means that the project team is really pushing the whole product forward and the price has strong support. However, as long as there are specific landing products and a large number of users use them, the currency price will naturally attract other hot money to come in and raise the price. After all, the secondary market is just a capital game, and the coin bubble project meets this condition. The products are developed in an orderly way, and the market value is still so small. It is very easy for BPOP to rise several times or dozens of times in this bull market.
At present, BPOP passes can be found in the decentralized exchange uniswap (search BPOP or contract address: 0x0452aed878805514e28fb5bd0b56bef92176e32a) and the centralized exchange Dubai compliance exchange cbx.com Trading. Those who are interested can learn about it by themselves. Of course, before buying, you can also go to its official website(http://www.bpop.io)Download the app to experience it. By the way, I tried to recharge 1000 usdt, and now I have made more than 300 usdt. Of course, some secondary pages still have a lot of Chinese, which is a little difficult to watch. It is said that an optimized version of the English version will be released soon, and everyone can experience it at that time.
Finally, I would like to remind you that although the money in China's currency circle is relatively easy to earn, it is also a high-risk investment variety. Before you enter this market, please be sure to follow the above-mentioned method to deeply understand the Chinese market and analyze the currency you like in detail. If you have any questions, please feel free to communicate with me.
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From 10000 to 10 Million: Coin Circle KOL Happy Shares the Road of Gold Mining in China

From 10000 to 10 Million: Coin Circle KOL Happy Shares the Road of Gold Mining in China
On July 27,2020, Bitcoin soared from US $9900 to US $11400, a 15% increase in a single day, opening the first round of global cryptocurrency market outbreak after the epidemic.Since then, different currencies have been soaring in turn every day.A few days ago, I attended a private gathering of cryptocurrency circle in Silicon Valley, and got to know a veteran of currency circle named XX.XX is a China expert and an early investor of TRX, OMG and EOS. It started from $10000 and now has a value of more than $10 million. It is called China bitbutcher in a small circle.The author and XX talked about a lot of dry goods, now sorted out to share with you, interested can add my telegraph group(https://0.plus/bpopaha)Discuss it together.The following is the account in XX’s own words.
Firstly, you need to understand the market.
Some people call me China Bitbutcher. In fact, there are many people who make more money than me in the Chinese market. Although the projects invested are different, they all have one thing in common, that is, they all have a better understanding of the Chinese market. At least you have to install a Wechat. You see, I have added many groups of Chinese investors to collect information and study their investment characteristics. For example, this expression pack is very representative.

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"show-hand" here is the transliteration of show hand, which means that you can bet all your cash on a single coin. If you only bet on one coin, you will have either heaven or hell.Whenever a KOL starts to shout for orders, the retail investors in the community will rush to get into the gold and shout the slogan of "show-hand". The lucky ones who get into the gold earlier will get several times or even dozens of times (or higher) return on investment.
Similar to the "Beat Generation" born after World War II in the United States, today's young people in China are called "post-90s" and "post-00s". Although they don't have to worry about food and drink, their limited income is far behind the increase in urban house prices and living costs. Houses and cars are the necessary conditions for young Chinese men to marry their wives.As a result, these young people tend to be very aggressive in investment, and there are many people eager to make tens of thousands of dollars with thousands of dollars.At present, there are millions of investors in China's currency circle, which is equivalent to the total population of some small European countries. Behind this, there are tens of millions of stock investors who will turn to coin circle people at any time. Since the popularity of ICO in 2017, China has produced dozens of hundreds or even thousands of times projects such as Neo, TRX, ONT, etc., and tens of billions of dollars of funds have been taken out and deposited from the pockets of investors in the currency circle. At the same time, there are also a large number of gold miners (most of them are foreigners) who have absorbed a lot of money from China through ICO and obtained wealth freedom. Among them, EOS is a typical example. The financing time is as long as one year, and the financing scale is more than 2 billion US dollars, of which a large part is paid by Chinese young people. There is also a well-known KOL in China, who has been crazy about EOS, even calling out the slogan of "three waves of fighting to 1000 yuan (Note: 1000 yuan is equivalent to 143 US dollars, currently EOS is worth 3 dollars). However, such a crazy KOL still has the support of hundreds of thousands of fans. Fortunately, with so many fanatics, the EOS I held in the early stage could be safely and gradually shipped, with a comprehensive yield of 553%. It's not too much to say that it's collecting money on the ground. So if you take the same money and gamble with the gentlemen on Wall Street, you'd better take the same money to China’s currency circle market. By the way, there was also a big man in the currency circle in China who said that these retail investors were "idiot", "stupid people, lots of money, come quickly". I didn't believe it. However, at the end of 2017, I heard from my Chinese friends that I invested in a project called TRX. I only invested $5000, and finally I withdrew 100 times. 5000 US dollars turned into 500000 US dollars. Since then, I have fallen in love with this magic market.
Secondly, we should see the situation clearly.
A leader of China's democratic revolution once said a sentence that I like very much, which is called "the general trend of the world, the one who goes along will prosper, and the one who goes against will die." So before you pay, ask yourself a question: do you think the bull market has opened? Or is the bull market in the middle? This needs your own judgment, conform to the general trend to make money. In my opinion, at the present stage, two thirds of 2020 has passed. In the past eight months, the global epidemic broke out, the economy went down, the US stock market failed, the Olympic Games were postponed, and Bitcoin plummeted to 3800usdt.Under this undercurrent, hot money is irresistible, especially the savings of Chinese currency circle investors in the long bear market, which urgently needs an investment export. On the surface, this bull market is led by Ethereum, but in fact it is the result of a combination of multiple factors. One of the key points is to invest in customers' wallets. With Bitcoin starting on July 21, the current high level of 12000 or so, most of the mainstream currencies in the market have completed the round of rise. Meanwhile, the defi plate is extremely hot, and the future market will continue to be bullish. Judging the situation is the basic logic of our investment. If this does not hold up, there is no need to look down.
Thirdly, choose potential currencies.
If you also agree that the bull market will continue, then you should take advantage of this wave of heat, ambush some hot currencies in advance, and then wait for the market makers to stir up the market and plate, attract a large number of retail investors to follow suit, so as to easily make money in the market. At present, it is obvious that the market has entered the second typical stage: bitcoin trading horizontally and counterfeit currency rising in turn. Almost every day comes the news that the counterfeit currency of XX is about to soar, and then investors who build their positions ahead of time are beaming with joy to show their income map in the major communities.
Please note that! At this time, most of the unqualified investors are following the trend and buying without their own opinions. It is true that some people have made a lot of money, but the risks have multiplied. Because while they are making money, they are also carrying sedan chairs for the makers. But a small number of "smart people" don't think so. They firmly believe that the safest way is to make money within their scope. One of the important ideas is to explore the underrated high-quality projects that have not yet started to rise in the bull market, complete the warehouse building at the low level, and get the early hundred times chips.
Fourth, how to find a hundred times currency.
As we all know, 100 times coin has the following characteristics: it has a perfect business model and pass card model, has its own application and ecology, and has a group of loyal users and community consensus. This is the fundamental reason why I found TRX, OMG, ONT and other currencies. There is an outstanding businessman named Jack Ma in China. He put forward a concept called "small is beautiful", which means that the best investment target is a project with small scale and high marginal profit. Just in the past two days, I downloaded an investment advisory app called coin bubble through China's wechat group, and also sent a token. I think it is small and beautiful according to my own definition.

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According to the official introduction, the coin bubble is a mobile terminal entrance for digital financial investors. It is committed to creating a rich, interesting and practical digital financial investment consultant ecosystem, helping new users of the digital financial investment circle to quickly integrate into the circle and culture, improve their investment skills and obtain better investment returns. The goal of currency bubble is to become the first stop for traditional financial investors to enter the digital financial world and the first entrance for incremental users and incremental funds. The concept is quite grand, but in a word, the team has made a consultant app for coin circle investment and built an active community of crypto asset enthusiasts. Through the mode of knowledge payment or commission, KOL at the head of the coin circle helps their fans to purchase crypto assets and derivatives with zero threshold, and obtain commission income from it.

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Different from some projects on the market that often claim to be hundreds of thousands of users and start to issue money in the air stage, the money bubble has been done as a traditional Internet project from the beginning. The team itself is not short of money, and has not raised a lot of money in the initial stage. Instead, it only focuses on the perspective of resource exchange from the perspective of Genesis fund, alpha-coin fund and Continue Capital and other cryptocurrency capital parties symbolically took some start-up funds in order to better utilize the latter's extensive network resources in the currency circle. According to a friend who has a good relationship with the core team, the management of the currency bubble is extremely low-key, and rarely appears in front of the currency circle media. The team has always believed in the principle of product first, and has little interest in marketing. Just as soon as the app 1.0 version was launched, it caused a widespread sensation in the currency circle, and even was immediately plagiarized at pixel level by another well-known giant app two weeks later. But the team just said in the internal meeting, copy it, see whether you copy fast or we innovate fast. As a result, when app2.0 was released, the coin recommendation function was once again popular, absorbing countless powder, and it was still copied by several friends. However, this kind of plagiarism can not last for a long time, because the money bubble depends not only on the function innovation, but also on the community reputation. The Internet has such Matthew effect, and the head app is always strong.
At present, the coin bubble has initially established a product matrix of currency recommendation, spot strategy, contract strategy and communication community. Investors, KOL, exchanges and project parties in the currency circle can take what they need and get the resources they want. At present, money bubble has been the first place in the investment advisory track by relying on natural flow and word-of-mouth propaganda. Many of the original friends who only relied on plagiarism have disappeared. At present, there are about 3000 KOLs with different levels in the currency bubble, which continuously release spot currency, contract strategy and potential currency on app. Online, hundreds of thousands of users can easily find KOL with high success rate and stable yield through the currency bubble platform to carry out documentary operation to obtain profits. Offline, the coin bubble has dozens of official wechat groups and hundreds of alliance groups, radiating millions of users in the currency circle. Currency bubble has become the first professional community in China's domestic currency circle.

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Currency recommendation plate spot plate contract plate

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Money bubble online community currency bubble wechat community
In order to better integrate and match the resources in the ecosystem, coin bubble launched token BPOP with the same name in a low-key manner in 19 years, but it has not been vigorously promoted. This is also in line with the team's low-key temperament of not lacking money, not promoting and only making products with heart. According to internal information, BPOP token will be used for the following purposes:
First, you can use BPOP to subscribe to KOL's trading strategy. Previously, in order to comply in China, BPOP has been using French currency to settle Commission. However, the team may have considered the subsequent global promotion, and it is time to introduce ecological token for internal settlement. The good news is that the English version of coin bubble was launched in early September, which will better serve the global English speaking users in North America and Europe. At the same time, the project side also said that it would launch multi language versions such as Japanese version, Korean version and Latin version as soon as possible, so as to provide accurate investment advisory services for users in more regions of the world.
Secondly, BPOP can be used to offset the service charge of the platform.This seems to be consistent with the strategy of the traditional exchange and the traditional investment consulting company, but in fact, the Commission is charged only when the strategy is profitable. This is totally different from the traditional one. It is a killing strategy created from the perspective of investors in the currency circle. As we know, the vast majority of the profits of exchanges and consulting companies come from the handling fees for ensuring the collection of goods during drought and flood, especially for futures contracts, which are extremely high. This small fee hides the ambition of the currency bubble to subvert the status quo of the industry. Now there is a popular word called dimension reduction strike. It is the Internet that kills physical stores, and takeaway is used to kill instant noodles. Is it possible that the person who kills the exchange is such a latecomer?
Thirdly, BPOP can be used for position dividend. As mentioned above, the money bubble is set up according to the traditional Internet companies, and has its own stable source of income. Besides the platform Commission, a large part of it comes from the realization of traffic, that is, advertising revenue. Money bubble has served many star customers, such as OKEX, Bybit, MXC, famous project parties such as STPT, AKRO, DOS, ARPA, etc., and has reached hundreds of customers. Relying on its own flow advantages, the coin bubble provides accurate diversion and product promotion services for customers, matches high-quality investors in the currency circle for high-quality project parties and exchanges, and achieves a win-win situation. The subsequent position is equivalent to holding currency bubble stock, which will continue to enjoy the income and dividend of currency bubble.
According to informed sources, BPOP will develop new products in combination with the current defi hot spots, and BPOP will also be the only value medium in the product ecology of defi, which means that the higher the demand for products, the stronger the price support of BPOP.
- BPSwap
BPSwap is an asset exchange platform, which can be used for token exchange of any public chain agreement. In the initial stage of the product, BPOP will be used as the main exchange target, i.e. eth / BPOP, TRX / BPOP and other transaction pairs. In the later stage, transactions between different currencies and flash exchange functions will be gradually opened;
When a general investor subscribes to KOL's portfolio with BPOP, he / she can use BPSwap for trading exchange, and can also obtain income by providing transaction liquidity, which can not only quickly buy "wealth password" but also obtain additional income by using "wealth password";
The main functions of BPSwap are as follows:
1)Provide various platform data. Such as liquidity pool data, convertible currency pairs, exchange currency pair liquidity and transaction volume data;
Exchange mechanism of transaction currency. In the initial stage, erc-20 or trc-20 will be opened to exchange currency pairs for BPOP transactions. Any user can view KOL recommended currency on BPOP platform and conduct transaction exchange directly;
2)Liquidity pool reward and new liquidity token. Any user can provide liquidity for different trading currency pairs, increase or remove assets in the liquidity pool. At the same time, the platform will issue a new liquidity token bpop-lp to reward users who provide liquidity for trading currency pairs. Bpop-lp can be exchanged with BPOP / USDT / eth;
3)Flash cash function. Quick exchange of small assets.
In a word, BPSwap can make the users of currency bubble realize all kinds of "one-step" needs, from buying currency, to checking and recommending currency, to asset transaction and exchange, etc., so as to realize the closed-loop use of digital currency. As the only value medium of BPSwap, BPOP will be used by more and more users with the maturity of products, and the price will rise.
Finally, BPOP will also realize the interesting functions of internal users such as reward and props purchase, which may be related to the next blockbuster version. I don't know the details, so I won't make a wild guess.
The above is basically from the product, operation and technical aspects of the project analysis, but these alone are not enough, when we choose the investment target, we also need to carefully analyze the token situation, in order to draw a more accurate conclusion.These analyses are boring, but they are often critical. The reason is exactly the same when we analyze other currencies according to the method I said.
The reason why bitcoin has become the favorite of investors is that it can not be issued more shares and has the characteristics of unlimited deflation. Although BPOP cannot be dug out, its deflation is more fierce and fierce. I can easily find out that the current circulation of BPOP is extremely limited after a large number of lock ups and multiple destruction of BPOP by combining the announcement issued by the currency bubble and the data on the chain. The currency distribution of BPOP is shown in the figure. The orange part is the market circulation volume, accounting for 10%.The other blue parts are those in lock / destroyed / to be destroyed.
Currency bubble contract address: 0x0452aed878805514e28fb5bd0b56bef92176e32a
As can be seen from the figure, the total amount of BPOP is 1 billion. Among them, the foundation has actively destroyed 500 million, ecological destruction has reached 100 million, team lock up 200 million, private placement has not been issued and destroyed by 42.4 million. The remaining cornerstone investment is 100 million and the market is 57.6 million. At present, there is only 157.6 million circulation in the market. According to the official announcement, the government has been using the business profits to buy back from the secondary market. At present, the government has successively bought back about 60 million, and the real circulation in the market is only about 97 million tokens.
In addition, the project side's goal is to continue to buy back to 147.6 million and then destroy all the tokens, and all the tokens will be deflated to 10 million. According to the current real circulation of 97 million, the current CBX.ONE Its latest trading price is 0.005usdt, and its circulation market value is about 485000u. Compared with its current user volume and business volume, it is in a seriously underestimated state, and there is a huge space for imagination in the future. At present, the price is at a historical low price, which conforms to all my definitions of small and beautiful.
To sum up, BPOP meets all the characteristics of this bull market
- The business model, application and ecology are complete, and a large number of landing products are used by users;
- The market value of project token is small, but the project investment institutions are strong;
- The project team has deep experience in the blockchain industry and is keen on doing practical things.
- The direction of the project is in line with the hot spots of the current bull market.
There is a well-known saying in China's retail circle, "hold on, the team is working." On the one hand, it means that the team only focuses on the products and does not care about the price performance of the secondary market; on the other hand, it means that the project team is really pushing the whole product forward and the price has strong support. However, as long as there are specific landing products and a large number of users use them, the currency price will naturally attract other hot money to come in and raise the price. After all, the secondary market is just a capital game, and the coin bubble project meets this condition. The products are developed in an orderly way, and the market value is still so small. It is very easy for BPOP to rise several times or dozens of times in this bull market.
At present, BPOP passes can be found in the decentralized exchange uniswap (search BPOP or contract address: 0x0452aed878805514e28fb5bd0b56bef92176e32a) and the centralized exchange Dubai compliance exchange cbx.com Trading. Those who are interested can learn about it by themselves. Of course, before buying, you can also go to its official website(http://www.bpop.io)Download the app to experience it. By the way, I tried to recharge 1000 usdt, and now I have made more than 300 usdt. Of course, some secondary pages still have a lot of Chinese, which is a little difficult to watch. It is said that an optimized version of the English version will be released soon, and everyone can experience it at that time.
Finally, I would like to remind you that although the money in China's currency circle is relatively easy to earn, it is also a high-risk investment variety. Before you enter this market, please be sure to follow the above-mentioned method to deeply understand the Chinese market and analyze the currency you like in detail. If you have any questions, please feel free to communicate with me.
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From 10000 to 10 Million: Coin Circle KOL Happy Shares the Road of Gold Mining in China

From 10000 to 10 Million: Coin Circle KOL Happy Shares the Road of Gold Mining in China
On July 27,2020, Bitcoin soared from US $9900 to US $11400, a 15% increase in a single day, opening the first round of global cryptocurrency market outbreak after the epidemic.Since then, different currencies have been soaring in turn every day.A few days ago, I attended a private gathering of cryptocurrency circle in Silicon Valley, and got to know a veteran of currency circle named XX.XX is a China expert and an early investor of TRX, OMG and EOS. It started from $10000 and now has a value of more than $10 million. It is called China bitbutcher in a small circle.The author and XX talked about a lot of dry goods, now sorted out to share with you, interested can add my telegraph group(https://0.plus/bpopaha)Discuss it together.The following is the account in XX’s own words.
Firstly, you need to understand the market.
Some people call me China Bitbutcher. In fact, there are many people who make more money than me in the Chinese market. Although the projects invested are different, they all have one thing in common, that is, they all have a better understanding of the Chinese market. At least you have to install a Wechat. You see, I have added many groups of Chinese investors to collect information and study their investment characteristics. For example, this expression pack is very representative.

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"show-hand" here is the transliteration of show hand, which means that you can bet all your cash on a single coin. If you only bet on one coin, you will have either heaven or hell.Whenever a KOL starts to shout for orders, the retail investors in the community will rush to get into the gold and shout the slogan of "show-hand". The lucky ones who get into the gold earlier will get several times or even dozens of times (or higher) return on investment.
Similar to the "Beat Generation" born after World War II in the United States, today's young people in China are called "post-90s" and "post-00s". Although they don't have to worry about food and drink, their limited income is far behind the increase in urban house prices and living costs. Houses and cars are the necessary conditions for young Chinese men to marry their wives.As a result, these young people tend to be very aggressive in investment, and there are many people eager to make tens of thousands of dollars with thousands of dollars.At present, there are millions of investors in China's currency circle, which is equivalent to the total population of some small European countries. Behind this, there are tens of millions of stock investors who will turn to coin circle people at any time. Since the popularity of ICO in 2017, China has produced dozens of hundreds or even thousands of times projects such as Neo, TRX, ONT, etc., and tens of billions of dollars of funds have been taken out and deposited from the pockets of investors in the currency circle. At the same time, there are also a large number of gold miners (most of them are foreigners) who have absorbed a lot of money from China through ICO and obtained wealth freedom. Among them, EOS is a typical example. The financing time is as long as one year, and the financing scale is more than 2 billion US dollars, of which a large part is paid by Chinese young people. There is also a well-known KOL in China, who has been crazy about EOS, even calling out the slogan of "three waves of fighting to 1000 yuan (Note: 1000 yuan is equivalent to 143 US dollars, currently EOS is worth 3 dollars). However, such a crazy KOL still has the support of hundreds of thousands of fans. Fortunately, with so many fanatics, the EOS I held in the early stage could be safely and gradually shipped, with a comprehensive yield of 553%. It's not too much to say that it's collecting money on the ground. So if you take the same money and gamble with the gentlemen on Wall Street, you'd better take the same money to China’s currency circle market. By the way, there was also a big man in the currency circle in China who said that these retail investors were "idiot", "stupid people, lots of money, come quickly". I didn't believe it. However, at the end of 2017, I heard from my Chinese friends that I invested in a project called TRX. I only invested $5000, and finally I withdrew 100 times. 5000 US dollars turned into 500000 US dollars. Since then, I have fallen in love with this magic market.
Secondly, we should see the situation clearly.
A leader of China's democratic revolution once said a sentence that I like very much, which is called "the general trend of the world, the one who goes along will prosper, and the one who goes against will die." So before you pay, ask yourself a question: do you think the bull market has opened? Or is the bull market in the middle? This needs your own judgment, conform to the general trend to make money. In my opinion, at the present stage, two thirds of 2020 has passed. In the past eight months, the global epidemic broke out, the economy went down, the US stock market failed, the Olympic Games were postponed, and Bitcoin plummeted to 3800usdt.Under this undercurrent, hot money is irresistible, especially the savings of Chinese currency circle investors in the long bear market, which urgently needs an investment export. On the surface, this bull market is led by Ethereum, but in fact it is the result of a combination of multiple factors. One of the key points is to invest in customers' wallets. With Bitcoin starting on July 21, the current high level of 12000 or so, most of the mainstream currencies in the market have completed the round of rise. Meanwhile, the defi plate is extremely hot, and the future market will continue to be bullish. Judging the situation is the basic logic of our investment. If this does not hold up, there is no need to look down.
Thirdly, choose potential currencies.
If you also agree that the bull market will continue, then you should take advantage of this wave of heat, ambush some hot currencies in advance, and then wait for the market makers to stir up the market and plate, attract a large number of retail investors to follow suit, so as to easily make money in the market. At present, it is obvious that the market has entered the second typical stage: bitcoin trading horizontally and counterfeit currency rising in turn. Almost every day comes the news that the counterfeit currency of XX is about to soar, and then investors who build their positions ahead of time are beaming with joy to show their income map in the major communities.
Please note that! At this time, most of the unqualified investors are following the trend and buying without their own opinions. It is true that some people have made a lot of money, but the risks have multiplied. Because while they are making money, they are also carrying sedan chairs for the makers. But a small number of "smart people" don't think so. They firmly believe that the safest way is to make money within their scope. One of the important ideas is to explore the underrated high-quality projects that have not yet started to rise in the bull market, complete the warehouse building at the low level, and get the early hundred times chips.
Fourth, how to find a hundred times currency.
As we all know, 100 times coin has the following characteristics: it has a perfect business model and pass card model, has its own application and ecology, and has a group of loyal users and community consensus. This is the fundamental reason why I found TRX, OMG, ONT and other currencies. There is an outstanding businessman named Jack Ma in China. He put forward a concept called "small is beautiful", which means that the best investment target is a project with small scale and high marginal profit. Just in the past two days, I downloaded an investment advisory app called coin bubble through China's wechat group, and also sent a token. I think it is small and beautiful according to my own definition.

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According to the official introduction, the coin bubble is a mobile terminal entrance for digital financial investors. It is committed to creating a rich, interesting and practical digital financial investment consultant ecosystem, helping new users of the digital financial investment circle to quickly integrate into the circle and culture, improve their investment skills and obtain better investment returns. The goal of currency bubble is to become the first stop for traditional financial investors to enter the digital financial world and the first entrance for incremental users and incremental funds. The concept is quite grand, but in a word, the team has made a consultant app for coin circle investment and built an active community of crypto asset enthusiasts. Through the mode of knowledge payment or commission, KOL at the head of the coin circle helps their fans to purchase crypto assets and derivatives with zero threshold, and obtain commission income from it.

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Different from some projects on the market that often claim to be hundreds of thousands of users and start to issue money in the air stage, the money bubble has been done as a traditional Internet project from the beginning. The team itself is not short of money, and has not raised a lot of money in the initial stage. Instead, it only focuses on the perspective of resource exchange from the perspective of Genesis fund, alpha-coin fund and Continue Capital and other cryptocurrency capital parties symbolically took some start-up funds in order to better utilize the latter's extensive network resources in the currency circle. According to a friend who has a good relationship with the core team, the management of the currency bubble is extremely low-key, and rarely appears in front of the currency circle media. The team has always believed in the principle of product first, and has little interest in marketing. Just as soon as the app 1.0 version was launched, it caused a widespread sensation in the currency circle, and even was immediately plagiarized at pixel level by another well-known giant app two weeks later. But the team just said in the internal meeting, copy it, see whether you copy fast or we innovate fast. As a result, when app2.0 was released, the coin recommendation function was once again popular, absorbing countless powder, and it was still copied by several friends. However, this kind of plagiarism can not last for a long time, because the money bubble depends not only on the function innovation, but also on the community reputation. The Internet has such Matthew effect, and the head app is always strong.
At present, the coin bubble has initially established a product matrix of currency recommendation, spot strategy, contract strategy and communication community. Investors, KOL, exchanges and project parties in the currency circle can take what they need and get the resources they want. At present, money bubble has been the first place in the investment advisory track by relying on natural flow and word-of-mouth propaganda. Many of the original friends who only relied on plagiarism have disappeared. At present, there are about 3000 KOLs with different levels in the currency bubble, which continuously release spot currency, contract strategy and potential currency on app. Online, hundreds of thousands of users can easily find KOL with high success rate and stable yield through the currency bubble platform to carry out documentary operation to obtain profits. Offline, the coin bubble has dozens of official wechat groups and hundreds of alliance groups, radiating millions of users in the currency circle. Currency bubble has become the first professional community in China's domestic currency circle.

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Currency recommendation plate spot plate contract plate

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In order to better integrate and match the resources in the ecosystem, coin bubble launched token BPOP with the same name in a low-key manner in 19 years, but it has not been vigorously promoted. This is also in line with the team's low-key temperament of not lacking money, not promoting and only making products with heart. According to internal information, BPOP token will be used for the following purposes:
First, you can use BPOP to subscribe to KOL's trading strategy. Previously, in order to comply in China, BPOP has been using French currency to settle Commission. However, the team may have considered the subsequent global promotion, and it is time to introduce ecological token for internal settlement. The good news is that the English version of coin bubble was launched in early September, which will better serve the global English speaking users in North America and Europe. At the same time, the project side also said that it would launch multi language versions such as Japanese version, Korean version and Latin version as soon as possible, so as to provide accurate investment advisory services for users in more regions of the world.
Secondly, BPOP can be used to offset the service charge of the platform.This seems to be consistent with the strategy of the traditional exchange and the traditional investment consulting company, but in fact, the Commission is charged only when the strategy is profitable. This is totally different from the traditional one. It is a killing strategy created from the perspective of investors in the currency circle. As we know, the vast majority of the profits of exchanges and consulting companies come from the handling fees for ensuring the collection of goods during drought and flood, especially for futures contracts, which are extremely high. This small fee hides the ambition of the currency bubble to subvert the status quo of the industry. Now there is a popular word called dimension reduction strike. It is the Internet that kills physical stores, and takeaway is used to kill instant noodles. Is it possible that the person who kills the exchange is such a latecomer?
Thirdly, BPOP can be used for position dividend. As mentioned above, the money bubble is set up according to the traditional Internet companies, and has its own stable source of income. Besides the platform Commission, a large part of it comes from the realization of traffic, that is, advertising revenue. Money bubble has served many star customers, such as OKEX, Bybit, MXC, famous project parties such as STPT, AKRO, DOS, ARPA, etc., and has reached hundreds of customers. Relying on its own flow advantages, the coin bubble provides accurate diversion and product promotion services for customers, matches high-quality investors in the currency circle for high-quality project parties and exchanges, and achieves a win-win situation. The subsequent position is equivalent to holding currency bubble stock, which will continue to enjoy the income and dividend of currency bubble.
According to informed sources, BPOP will develop new products in combination with the current defi hot spots, and BPOP will also be the only value medium in the product ecology of defi, which means that the higher the demand for products, the stronger the price support of BPOP.
- BPSwap
BPSwap is an asset exchange platform, which can be used for token exchange of any public chain agreement. In the initial stage of the product, BPOP will be used as the main exchange target, i.e. eth / BPOP, TRX / BPOP and other transaction pairs. In the later stage, transactions between different currencies and flash exchange functions will be gradually opened;
When a general investor subscribes to KOL's portfolio with BPOP, he / she can use BPSwap for trading exchange, and can also obtain income by providing transaction liquidity, which can not only quickly buy "wealth password" but also obtain additional income by using "wealth password";
The main functions of BPSwap are as follows:
1)Provide various platform data. Such as liquidity pool data, convertible currency pairs, exchange currency pair liquidity and transaction volume data;
Exchange mechanism of transaction currency. In the initial stage, erc-20 or trc-20 will be opened to exchange currency pairs for BPOP transactions. Any user can view KOL recommended currency on BPOP platform and conduct transaction exchange directly;
2)Liquidity pool reward and new liquidity token. Any user can provide liquidity for different trading currency pairs, increase or remove assets in the liquidity pool. At the same time, the platform will issue a new liquidity token bpop-lp to reward users who provide liquidity for trading currency pairs. Bpop-lp can be exchanged with BPOP / USDT / eth;
3)Flash cash function. Quick exchange of small assets.
In a word, BPSwap can make the users of currency bubble realize all kinds of "one-step" needs, from buying currency, to checking and recommending currency, to asset transaction and exchange, etc., so as to realize the closed-loop use of digital currency. As the only value medium of BPSwap, BPOP will be used by more and more users with the maturity of products, and the price will rise.
Finally, BPOP will also realize the interesting functions of internal users such as reward and props purchase, which may be related to the next blockbuster version. I don't know the details, so I won't make a wild guess.
The above is basically from the product, operation and technical aspects of the project analysis, but these alone are not enough, when we choose the investment target, we also need to carefully analyze the token situation, in order to draw a more accurate conclusion.These analyses are boring, but they are often critical. The reason is exactly the same when we analyze other currencies according to the method I said.
The reason why bitcoin has become the favorite of investors is that it can not be issued more shares and has the characteristics of unlimited deflation. Although BPOP cannot be dug out, its deflation is more fierce and fierce. I can easily find out that the current circulation of BPOP is extremely limited after a large number of lock ups and multiple destruction of BPOP by combining the announcement issued by the currency bubble and the data on the chain. The currency distribution of BPOP is shown in the figure. The orange part is the market circulation volume, accounting for 10%.The other blue parts are those in lock / destroyed / to be destroyed.
Currency bubble contract address: 0x0452aed878805514e28fb5bd0b56bef92176e32a
As can be seen from the figure, the total amount of BPOP is 1 billion. Among them, the foundation has actively destroyed 500 million, ecological destruction has reached 100 million, team lock up 200 million, private placement has not been issued and destroyed by 42.4 million. The remaining cornerstone investment is 100 million and the market is 57.6 million. At present, there is only 157.6 million circulation in the market. According to the official announcement, the government has been using the business profits to buy back from the secondary market. At present, the government has successively bought back about 60 million, and the real circulation in the market is only about 97 million tokens.
In addition, the project side's goal is to continue to buy back to 147.6 million and then destroy all the tokens, and all the tokens will be deflated to 10 million. According to the current real circulation of 97 million, the current CBX.ONE Its latest trading price is 0.005usdt, and its circulation market value is about 485000u. Compared with its current user volume and business volume, it is in a seriously underestimated state, and there is a huge space for imagination in the future. At present, the price is at a historical low price, which conforms to all my definitions of small and beautiful.
To sum up, BPOP meets all the characteristics of this bull market
- The business model, application and ecology are complete, and a large number of landing products are used by users;
- The market value of project token is small, but the project investment institutions are strong;
- The project team has deep experience in the blockchain industry and is keen on doing practical things.
- The direction of the project is in line with the hot spots of the current bull market.
There is a well-known saying in China's retail circle, "hold on, the team is working." On the one hand, it means that the team only focuses on the products and does not care about the price performance of the secondary market; on the other hand, it means that the project team is really pushing the whole product forward and the price has strong support. However, as long as there are specific landing products and a large number of users use them, the currency price will naturally attract other hot money to come in and raise the price. After all, the secondary market is just a capital game, and the coin bubble project meets this condition. The products are developed in an orderly way, and the market value is still so small. It is very easy for BPOP to rise several times or dozens of times in this bull market.
At present, BPOP passes can be found in the decentralized exchange uniswap (search BPOP or contract address: 0x0452aed878805514e28fb5bd0b56bef92176e32a) and the centralized exchange Dubai compliance exchange cbx.com Trading. Those who are interested can learn about it by themselves. Of course, before buying, you can also go to its official website(http://www.bpop.io)Download the app to experience it. By the way, I tried to recharge 1000 usdt, and now I have made more than 300 usdt. Of course, some secondary pages still have a lot of Chinese, which is a little difficult to watch. It is said that an optimized version of the English version will be released soon, and everyone can experience it at that time.
Finally, I would like to remind you that although the money in China's currency circle is relatively easy to earn, it is also a high-risk investment variety. Before you enter this market, please be sure to follow the above-mentioned method to deeply understand the Chinese market and analyze the currency you like in detail. If you have any questions, please feel free to communicate with me.
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